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  1. #1 Student Rig 
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    Hi everybody,

    I知 actually a student in cinema and I would like to upgrade my video setup for two main reasons : dynamic range and colors depth.

    For the past two years, I shot two short-films and many other video with a Canon 100D but I知 starting to feel like I need to level up the technical quality of my image (8 bits to a good 10bits).

    As a student my budget is a bit limited, I would like to keep my actual lenses ( 50mm and 70/300mm on EF mount and maybe my 18-55mm with a EF-S mount).

    I had thought of the BMMCC or BMPCC but I know I will need to rig it, like a lot. In your opinion, first, should I buy a speedbooster or directly go on a camera with an EF mount ? (I saw on the internet that the BMPCC could possibly be available with an EF mount).

    I also know that vignetting could appear or distorsion. That痴 why I would like some proud owners to guide me toward my final choice !

    And last, I already own a monitor and sound gears but I would like to know what are your must have accessories to equip these cameras (cage, matte box, filters... as I知 going from a DSLR to a video camera)?

    My budget would be around 500-1500 (pre-owned camera or accessories are not a problem).

    Thanks a lot and sorry for my English.



    PS : I have only own DSLR, sorry if appear a bit like a noob.
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    Go with BMMCC. The battery life on the pocket sucks and the MiniHDMI will break.
    BMMCC = bettery battery. you can shoot raw 3:1 60 fps. Big HDMI Port.
    You will need some cage. Check "SmallRig" BMMCC Cage. Some Rods, handles.
    And you want to get a speedbooster for EF and crop factor and extra stop of light.
    And maybe the "One little remote light" from "One little Goat".

    So you will end up spending around 2000 Bucks and more.

    And you also need ND-Filter. Best "tiffen". Maybe 77mm and get some step up rings for smaller lenses.
    And I never heard of a Pocket with EF mount.
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    Here is my suggested minimum setup for usable BMMCC. If look for second hand gear it may fit to $2000:

    OLPF/IR filter Mosaic or Rawlite
    SMALLRIG BMMCC Cage 1773
    SmallRig Universal Top Handle 1984
    Angle Breakout Expansion Box Module by RADIOPROEKTOR
    Angle HDMI Clamp kit by RADIOPROEKTOR
    ARRI Rosette Mount Module by RADIOPROEKTOR
    SmallRig DSLR Monitor Holder Mount 1842
    Side Handle with LANC or PWM REC/STOP button
    SmallHD 501, SmallHD Focus or any other 5" screen with LUT support (smaller sizes not too usable)
    ColorChecker Passport or any other color chart target supported by Davinci Resolve.
    Full version of Davinci Resolve to deal with chroma/luma noise reduction.
    Hoya ND8 and ND64

    This camera forces to dig very deep into to workflow to get nice looking result.

    Here are also some useful links to learn:
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...o-My-Only-Hope
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...-RADIOPROEKTOR
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...e-HDMI-adapter
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...-RADIOPROEKTOR
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...-development-)
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...tips-and-tests
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...ic-amp-RawLite
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...recovery-test)
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...llers-database
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...ount-converter
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...-dynamic-range!
    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...-ursa-mini-pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambi View Post
    I had thought of the BMPCC but I know I will need to rig it, like a lot.
    I don't think so. I put a Rode Stereo VideoMic Pro on top and I'm good to go. If I'm on a tripod, I hook up the Magic Power 2.0 from Juicebox for extended operation. If I'm outside, I add the Zacuto Z-Finder 2x. This is really all I need.

    Certainly you can get more sophisticated in your rig, but I don't believe you have to in order to capture a great image. Especially shooting RAW.

    You would need at least a dummy adapter for the lenses, if not the Pocket-specific SpeedBooster. And I do recommend an IR filter for every lens under all shooting conditions.

    But certainly for less than $2,000 (possibly less than $1,000 if you go used), you can step up to a more professional image and work flow with the BMPCC. (And it'll be much easier to use than the BMMCC.)
    Last edited by Jim Simon; 01-06-2018 at 10:38 AM.
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    Jim, I disagree. Having owned both cameras, I found I had to add a monitor to the Pocket camera, and a cage with a cable support clamp.
    The monitor on the Picket camera is very hard to pull Focus with, is low resolution and is fixed in position on the back of the camera, which limits its use. The Pocket also has a slower sensor readout time than the Micro, its undersized HDMI and external Power plugs are very fragile and easily damaged (hince the cage and cable support system).

    On the other hand, the Micro has less RS artifacts, and better controlled morie. The HDMI plug is full size and more robust, the WC Micro Cage has more top mounted accessory mounting points, and the SBus allows the use of some very sophisticated remotes, that can set many of the menu options. Also the video processor is updated, and gives an improved image quality to the camera. You can add accessories as you go, if using full frame 35mm lenses, than the BMPCC Speed Booster is the best way to go, and works on the Micro Camera just fine.

    Add a small EVF, like the Cineroid, a BM Ursa grip and a power/Lanc breakout box on the DB15 output connector, you can get audio focus and autoiris operation like the Pocket camers has, with a more positive grip, and yiu have a nice handheld small setup. Yes you have to add accessories, but you can add them as you go. A small monitor like the new IKan 3.5-inch or the SmallHD Focus (a better choice), and you can start using the camera right off, then add the rest as you go.
    Cheers
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    Search around Ebay for a BMCC 2.5K EF in decent condition and I will tell you it's a superb cinema camera. I saw a few selling for 500-800 USD with cage and/or SSD included.
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    If you want to go cheap you can get this monitor:
    FEELWORLD F570 5.7″ 4K On-camera Monitor with HDMI Input/ Output IPS Full HD 1920x1080
    https://www.feelworld.org/online-sto...F570-p95296570

    Only 200 Bucks.

    I would buy the SmallHD Focus but the Micro HDMI Port on the SmallHD Focus is just terrible.
    I agree with Denny Smith. Put a small Monitor for 200 Bucks on the Micro Cinema Camera is much better.
    Pro Micro Cinema: Better Battery Life, Better HDMI and 3:1 RAW Recording up to 60fps.
    IMHO you have to rig the pocket as much as the Micro Cinema. But you donエt have to find stange battery solutions for the micro.
    If you want more power for the micro you can get a NP-F bridge for 30 Bucks. But the Canon LP6 Batteries last 1 hours, 30 min which is pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Smith View Post
    Having owned both cameras, I found I had to add a monitor to the Pocket camera, and a cage with a cable support clamp.
    I don't think you have to. I don't argue it helps. But even without, I can get just as good an image shooting RAW. The Pocket's Focus Peaking is remarkably good.
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    As EYu says your flat out least expensive option is a BMCC 2.5 EF used. The image will blow your mind. You can blow it up to 4k if needed and it will be acceptable. The ef's only down sides are the field of view and need for adding lights / limited iso. You will get use to it and adjust your field of view by moving forward or backward till you are framed.

    Next the BMPC 4k has an ef mount. This has the light limitation but decent field of view and slightly less dynamic range. Since you are coming off a dslr / c100 you will giggle with joy when you see the properly exposed image.

    These are going to be around 1k used, probably less at this point.

    A cage is nice to have but not necessary, just a mounting plate and rails so you can use a follow focus and mount your monitor etc. Matte box is nice but for now just use your screw on filters and lens shades.

    Your budget is a bit higher so if you can live with 2k resolution then the Micro Cinema Camera is the way to go as you can shoot at 60fps and will have limited overcranking/slow motion. You will want a speedbooster as it corrects the field of view from super 16 to close to 35mm and gives you more light to work with. You will need to cage it and others have mentioned the rest. The image will absolutely hold up for theater screening. The thread below shows you how to rig it and Theo won a couple of international festivals.

    http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.ph...atography-Fest

    Good luck with your studies and career!
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